I am over it as that wasn’t really the point, different consoles have different demographics and thats fine. The article was about Tony feeling a little persecuted as a wii gamer, my response initially was to say that the negativity is not at the wii users but the nintendo and we have a little bit of valid reason to feel this way.

the whole wii vs the world thing only came about from tony not accepting some facts and it went of topic.

would you honestly hand on heart tell them to buy a wii?”

I stopped gaming at n64/ps1 till I got my wii. I love it. I have 43 wii games not counting wiiware/virtual console. As a result I bought a ps3. I have 5 ps3 games and want 4 more – all are fighting games, weird stuff like Lair, or ACII (I’m a native Italian and enjoy practicing the language). Here’s what I say:

There are so many hidden and amazing wii games that you guys make me laugh. You don’t bother looking for something unique like Da Blob and then complain there are no games. You deserve to miss out on the wii.

Miss the “big titles?” Like Zelda, Super Mario Galaxy, or Metroid? Nintendo games are the biggest titles there are.

You know who likes the wii? People who miss when video games didn’t try to emulate movies. I bought MGS4 cause I heard it was a “perfect game.” Turns out there was more cutscene than game and that was poorly written and cliched. When my brother just beat uncharted 2 we’d mock the game whenever it got to the cinematic experience. Playing big games for story is like saying you read Twilight so you’re literary.

Suda’s best selling game ever is NMH. Hilarious that the “hardcore” ps2 crowd bought fewer copies of Suda’s killer7 than Petz: Horsez.

Nintendo is competing with Sony or MS if anyone who bought a wii was looking at the other systems but got the wii instead. That’s by definition. And this obviously happens all the time. But by redefining the fight I guess it makes 2nd or 3rd place more bearable…

“Top notch “hardcore” titles have come and gone for the Wii. Hardcore gamers cry “we want games that are targeted for us,” and then they don’t buy them.”

Madworld is a 6 hour game that is repetitive for a beat em up, something I didn’t think was possible. The Conduit sold very well given the investment. COD sells 1m+. NMH is Suda’s best selling game ever. If you mention a rail shooter not selling I’m going to laugh at you. It doesn’t even consider that the 1m+ sold HOTD 2 and 3 Return and 300-400k sold of HOTD: Overkill is insane for what is essentially a niche arcade genre.

No achievements are a deal breaker? That’s entirely peripheral to the gameplay. You’re all insane. I beat Time Crisis II in the arcade without getting hit. Know how I prove it? The crowd that gathers when I win.

“Holding the Wii in the same light as the 360 and the PS3 simply isn’t fair. Yes, the Wii will lose in a majority of the comparisons. 360/PS3 battle for one target audience while Nintendo outright OWNS the majority of another target audience (which is substantially larger than the 360/PS3 audience). Again, smart business by Nintendo.”

The audience is the same if any customer that got a wii bought it instead of a HD console….and we all know that’s happened many many times. You are all sheltered in snobby video game blogs if you don’t know someone who got a wii instead of an xbox or ps3.

The wii doesn’t lose in many of the comparisons at all. My ps3 plays blueray and rare gems like littlebigplanet. My wii plays video games and dominates my time. If I wanted to watch a poorly written cutscenes I’d play the ps3 more. Or if I wanted to play a slightly updated Quake 3 or Counter-strike with horrible analog controls. But I don’t, so that’s why I’m playing New Super Mario Bros Wii/Metroid Prime Trilogy and thats why Assassin’s Creed 2 has to wait.

HD consoles are widely known in PC circles as watered down computers with worse graphics and controls in the exact same FPS. Except it lacks mods and costs 10 dollars more. I have a computer science degree and most of us just laugh at you guys when you act snobbish about graphics on consoles and ignore the obvious comparison to PCs. The jump from console to PC is more than wii to HD console. The hot FPS on HD consoles don’t even natively run at 720p. Halo is 640p native and still lacks anti-aliasing! I can accept graphics whoring but not the arbitrary application of it.

can you say more than just you are wrong, especially as you don’t seem to want to say what i was wrong about and half of what i said are things nintendo themselves have admitted.

@kevin

i agree with you on a lot of that and fully understand why nintendo went that way. given a choice between a market they weren’t able to compete in or one that would make them a butt load of money they chose money. its the right business call and i am not pretending it isn’t.

what i am getting at is games like madworld or dead space on the wii or gta china town wars on the ds have been critical success’s tro some degree yet commercial failures (dead space sold something like 7000 copies worldwide its week of release). this happened due to the market ninedo cultivated and has caused third party’s to not want to involve themselves that heavily with the wii. No one can be blamed for that aside from nintendo.

for people that buy consoles you are right nintendo is not competing with sony and microsoft. For people who will buy a game a month or more they are.

if somebody came to you and said

‘I am buying my first console, I am pretty much a sponge for games and enjoy all different types of gaming and can happily burn through 2 games a month. i am looking for a system where i can play all the big titles aswell as find those small gems of indie games from time to time, what would you recomend?’

would you honestly hand on heart tell them to buy a wii?

“It may seem that gamers and game designers have turned their back on the Wii but Nintendo drew first blood.”

This is only the case because of the consumers. I have to agree with what Scott says above. Nintendo is extremely smart in everything they have done with the Wii thus far. Top notch “hardcore” titles have come and gone for the Wii. Hardcore gamers cry “we want games that are targeted for us,” and then they don’t buy them.

If anyone is at fault for that it is the hardcore gamer for not embracing those titles that actually deserve their attention. Nintendo is concentrating on a majority of their user base which is smart business. Everything Nintendo has done with the Wii has been extreeeemely smart business (not many companies can sell us the same game 100 times and still make it enjoyable, fresh, and top 5 seller on NPDs).

I own a Wii. Don’t play it much anymore. But that is simply because that spark has gone out for me. I first saw the potential of the Wii when I got it the weekend it came out and played it with everyone in my family over Thanksgiving. That multiplayer aspect of playing with people that aren’t necessarily gamers is phenomenal. So, for me, the Wii is a system I use randomly for multiplayer with friends and family. And that is enough for me. I am glad I have a Wii in those moments.

Holding the Wii in the same light as the 360 and the PS3 simply isn’t fair. Yes, the Wii will lose in a majority of the comparisons. 360/PS3 battle for one target audience while Nintendo outright OWNS the majority of another target audience (which is substantially larger than the 360/PS3 audience). Again, smart business by Nintendo.

They can’t even open their eyes. I totally identify with how you feel in the disintrest for what ps360 offers. I have so much fun with my quirky wii games then i look at the next big thing for those systems and it’s either another 3rd person shooter with steroid driven main characters ripped straight from a b-list action movie or another FPS with it’s biggest hook being it’s online.

I’m all for the story driven game as much as the next guy but c’mon how about a little more game to my game. Heavy Rain is by far going to put the nail in the coffin for me. Could not be any less interested in an choose your own adventure game with an adult plot. Which is the other good point you make. The best games don’t have to be mature…

You know… i’m ranting.

To sum up Great article man. Great read.

Well, lemme just say you are wrong. Maybe I’ll write a supplement article in the future.